Saorsat

Irish Free to Air Satellite TV copy of Saorview. Might start in May 2011 via Ka-Sat @9E on Ka Band

Saorsat and broadband

I see mention of broadband from the new Saorsat satellite.

I can understand how I can get high download speeds, but my intuition tells me it's impossible to upload to a satellite from a small dish on the roof of my house.

Am I totally wrong? 

If so, what speeds might I expect for upload?  What equipment would I need?

Ger

TV and Radio (Satellite & Terrestrial)

 


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Introduction and boards.ie links

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Saorsat speculation
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/show...<

Saorview Content Speculation
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/show...<

Saorview Awareness<
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/show...<

Terrestrial Forum
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Saor is Gaelic (Irish) for Free and is pronounced "seer" as in seering meat in a pan.

Saorview is Digital Terrestrial in Ireland using DVB-T (DVB-T2 tuners will work), HD, MPEG4 H.264. HD downsampling on SCART is needed for non-HDTV with setbox. MHEG5 middleware. A regular UHF aerial is used for reception.

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DVBviewer pro 4.8.1 release

The changelog:

MHEG5

We finally added MHEG-5 support to the DVBViewer.

Hylas ODU on Saorsat (part1)

Here is complete ODU (outdoor unit) for Hylas-1 VSAT application on Ka Band. It's a Hughes product.

We are going to remove the "transmitter part" and use it on Ka-Sat just for Saorsat reception. First explanation and pictures of the separate parts.

hylas ODU hughes complete

The large finned part is the BUC (Block up converter) which takes IF and converts to about 30GHz with plain orthogonal polarisation (H or V) at a few watts to uplink the modem data to the Satellite. This is essentially the Transmitter.

The flat rectangle is the LNB (Low Noise down converter Block), the receiver at 20GHz converting to 950MHz to 1700MHz IF to modem or modem and TV set-box (if the satellite has TV services). . The LNB is 19.7 to 20.2GHz which is 500MHz. Assuming 950MHz lowest IF then highest IF is 1450MHz and L.O. is 18.25 GHz. Usually VSAT modems use IF of 950MHz to 1700MHz, in which case there would be some reception at slightly reduced quality up to 20.450GHz. Alternatively 20.2 could be an IF of 1700MHz, so lowest IF would be 1200MHz and LO is 18.5GHz.

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RTE ka-Sat Testing?

Update 26th March 2012

Summer time is now on us. The low key announcements so far  by RTE are covered here.

Updated 20th February 2012 (originally published 26th May 2011)

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Consent for New Services on Saorview

Good News: RTÉ's new Saorview services are approved. This means the Information Campaign can start.

Interesting conditions attaching to Specific Channels

  1. RTÉ Two HD Select channel is required to be carried on the second multiplex.

  2. The knowledge gained from technical trialling of the HD channel will be shared with other broadcasters
  3. RTÉ should aim to provide for full HD versions of RTÉ One and RTÉ Two as soon as practicable and by mid 2013 at the latest
  4. The RTÉjr/RTÉ Plus channel shall be carried on the first multiplex until 1 September 2011 and from 1 September 2011 shall be transferred to the second multiplex
  5. No advertising is permitted on the RTÉjr or RTÉ News Now channel
  6. In respect of RTÉjr and RTÉ News Now, RTÉ shall review Phase 2 of these channel proposals on foot of the suggestions set out in the public consultation in order to further enhance the public value of the channels.
  7. RTÉ Plus: Phase 1 only is approved and for a period of 4 years only until February 2014.

We like the "no advertising" clause on RTEjr and RTE News Now. Proper Public Service Broadcasting!

Why is it any business of DCENR how the PSB multiplexes are organised if channels are approved? That should be purely an Engineering decision.

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Retail ASO Awareness Part 2

East Side of Limerick City

There was not a single place that mentioned Saorview, We encountered a sorry story, Huge price tags again and tiny insufficient (sometimes misleading) specification tags, sometimes no specifications at all. NO indication of the ASO or DSO. If you didn't know about it you wouldn't know. 

(See SaorTV.info for all about Irish Digital TV<)

The first stop was Harvey Normans. Most TVs simply had a large price tag, that would be fine if it wasn't for the fact some of these TVs are good for little else other than being a monitor. There were some sets that mentioned MPEG4, but what use is that to a person who has never heard of the DSO, who doesn't know Saorview exists. More sinisterly this mentioning of MPEG4 implies that Harvey Normans does indeed know about the ASO, DSO and Saorview. Then if they know about it they are keeping quiet about it, which could mean they are with full knowledge and intent product dumping, selling goods not fit for their purchase.

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Retail ASO awareness part1

I was sent into Limerick City to investigate the state of Retail with regards the ASO and DSO. I was given a form to fill in after leaving each shop.

I did not make my self obvious to shop employees as far as they knew I was a simple customer or window shopper.

One of the first things I noticed about the places I went to was the sheer absence of reference to the ASO, DSO and Saorview.

(See SaorTV.info for all about Irish Digital TV<)

Saorsat Coverage

There is not currently (December 2010) ANY satellite in service that could deliver Irish Domestic Television without Encryption. The UK mainland is a market TWENTY times bigger than the Irish one. Even "home produced" content would be much more expensive if it could be received in Mainland UK other than by using large mast and big aerial pointed at Ireland on parts of Welsh coast and Cornish coast. 

[Update: Ka-Sat entered service commercially for Internet Applications 31st May 2011. RTE Tests have been received since 26th May 2011]

The solution for RTE NL is to use a Satellite deisgned for Internet coverage that is was launched 26th/27th December 2010. It should be available for use around end of May 2011 if everything works.

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Saorview Resource for Humans

New resource for Non-Technical folk (ordinary Humans) for Saorview and Saorsat (link)<, the new Irish Digital Terrestrial.

I think saortv.info is a nice easy address for your friends. Comment to this post to suggest additions or corrections to the site or use this form here (link)< if you are not a Member here. 

UPDATE: RTE / RTE NL now have two excellent resources. The Information Site Saorview<  and the Coverage Site<.

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Kerry TV on Soarview, Saorsat

Though there is some new content planned for Irish Digital TV<,  really there is nothing new. So far it's really just a replacement of Analogue with very basic repeat of RTE news and possibly the addition of TV3's "3e"

Quote:

Tralee entrepreneur Carla Horan is planning to form a new commercial TV station dedicated to Kerry.

The ambitious project would see the channel broadcasting 24 hours a day and include news and sports bulletins from across the county, along with Irish language content, a chat show, cookery, arts, gardening, fashion and holiday programmes -- and even a Kerry-based soap opera and a Kerry version of Big Brother. Live gigs at the INEC in Killarney will also be targeted for coverage by the channel; while there have been early discussions about launching a Kerry Lotto, with live TV draws.

Ms Horan (37) said plans were only at the "inception stage", but she has already brought the concept before the Broadcast Authority of Ireland and is in the process of applying for a contract to provide free-to-air TV on a digital platform. It is hoped the newstation will be broadcasting by 2013.

via http://www.independent.ie/national-...<

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Saorview logo and first setbox?

Seen on a Retail mag for TV in Ireland and scanned by Byte 20th August 2010

saorviewsetbox1

(From IER , Irish Electrical Review, a Trade magazine for Electrical Retailers)

Quote:
Walker Technology Products Ltd., was founded in July 2005 to supply a range of televisions especially designed for the Irish market. The two directors who set the business up were previously senior executives with Mitsubishi Electric involved in the sales and marketing of the very successful market leading range of Black Diamond televisions. The Walker branded range of LCD televisions are sourced from the same factory that manufactured for Mitsubishi Electric and other major Japanese brands for distribution in Europe. Therefore insuring that Walker LCD's offer the latest features, excellent quality and terrific value for money.

3. Saorsat

Update 27th January  2012  * NEW *

RTE will run Saorsat on Ka-Sat 9E  and to confirm service start date soon.

Update 17th November 2010
viewer orientated non-technical explanation of Irish Digital TV, Saorview and Saorsat at SaorTV.Info<

Saor is the Gaelic for Free. Existing analogue TV (TV via an aerial)
is free. You pay a TV licence simply for having a Receiving Apparatus.
Saorsat is the name for the new all digital service that is for 2% to 8% people that won't be able to get Saorview, the Digital Terrestrial Service via an aerial. It's not a competitor to Sky, Magnet or UPC.
Simply an alternative way to deliver Saorview.

Some information here is preliminary and not yet confirmed.

When and How?

The Saorsat service is proposed to be supplied via Ka-Sat @ 9E, using Ka-Band. The Satellite is many for Internet use and has 80+ spots. One covers Ireland. The satellite was launched successfully 26th/27th December 2010. It's unlikely a service will be available before end of May 2011.

2. Saorview


saorviewlogo-s<

Technical Launch 29th October 2010<

Full launch Spring 2011 Analogue Close down October 2012

Update 17th November 2010  * NEW *
viewer orientated non-technical explanation of Irish Digital TV, Saorview and Saorsat at SaorTV.Info<

Update 29th October 2010 

Saorview web site live< (click on logo). 

RTE Saorview sub site<